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so I I feel like the the very you know fundamental place to begin is to find a

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place where it's nonthreatening for you because a lot of people don't want to start by going to a church that they're not familiar with so make a big bowl of

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popcorn that's my favorite thing to do stream if you you know hopefully you can stream the chosen in Canada um if

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not you know find another series on the life of of Christ or the Book of Genesis

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whatever and familiarize yourself with the stories of God the stories of Jesus

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and um go from

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there hello everybody and welcome to True Hope cast the official podcast of true hope Canada where we take a deep

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dive into mental Health's many physiological and psychological aspects this is the show for you if you're looking for motivation inspiration

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knowledge and solutions and that's what all about here at trueu Hope Canada and trueu hope Canada is a mind and body

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based supplement company dedicated first and foremost to promoting brain and body Health through non-invasive nutritional

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means for more information about us please visit TR hopec canada.com today on the podcast I welcome Debbie Howell

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now Debbie is a passionate Christian Author speaker and devoted servant of Christ who has dedicated her life and

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Ministry to encouraging others to live out God's word in every aspect of their daily lives she is driven by a deep

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desire to see IND individuals grow in their faith experience the fullness of God's love and live lives that reflect

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his truth and grace through her books speaking engagement and personal Ministry Debbie inspires Believers to go

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beyond surface level Christianity and develop a profound and intimate relationship with God today on the show

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we're going to be discussing how embracing faith can transform your life enjoy the show all right hi Debbie

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welcome to True Hope cast thanks so much for being with us today how are you what is going well hi so glad to be here with you

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today um a lot of things are going well I just came out with a book and I'm working on my second one and my third

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one and I'm getting to know Wonderful podcasters like you so thank you so much

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for this invitation wonderful wonderful well we're going to be speaking about um

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how embracing faith can transform your life today but before we jump into that why don't you just give us a little bit

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of understanding of who you are and what it is you that you do okay well I'm a Christian and I've been

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involved in Ministry for over 20 years Prayer Ministry women's ministry music

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Ministry um and it's really kind of shaped who I am today um and then I U

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unfortunately went through a divorce a couple of years ago after 33 years of marriage um and that kind of started to

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fall apart right before covid uh so during covid I went back to college I got my Master's Degree and became a

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pastor um so so I'm not pastoring a church but I'm an author and a speaker

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kind of uh creating my own path forward as a pastor just to trying to encourage

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as many people as I can amazing well um why don't you tell us a little bit about

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how your personal Journey of Faith began and what was that kind of pivotal moment

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that made you realize how transformative it could be yeah okay uh so I I got

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involved in an incredible Prayer Ministry at my church over 20 years ago and just an incredible group of people

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that we would meet together to pray we started reading great books um by Joyce Meyer by Beth Moore and it started to

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open my eyes to the power of praying scripture because you know Bible tells

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us you know if we pray the will of God he will hear us and answer us so how do we know the will of God with our finite

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Minds so I began to realize that to know the heart of God the will of God is

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through scripture so as we bring his words of scripture into our prayers it

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not only transforms our prayer life um and grows our faith but it helps us to

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know him personally so instead of like praying to a god that seems far off now

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we're almost kind of praying heart-to-heart with him through bringing his words into our

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prayers so that that the end to transform my life and then around the same time um my my daughter who was 14

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got very sick with Lyme disease and it just kind of wreaked havoc in her life

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emotionally physically and so um learning to pray scripture helped me to

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stay in a place of Faith because there's so much fear and pain when you see your

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child suffer and you don't know where to take her to fix it so that um was a very

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pivotal moment in my prayer Journey how's your daughter doing now

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well she uh she was 14 then she's 31 now um but she she's doing better it took us

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a few years to find the right doctor and so she's under very good care but

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because with Lyme disease if it's in your body for a long time it takes an

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even longer time to heal it but she's definitely better today than she was then so I'm grateful to God I remember

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to doing a um research project in my nutrition school all about Lyme disease and it's very fascinating and I think

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that because of the nature of that bacteria and if you actually look at the

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shape of it you know it's like got this cork screw and it gets deep and it's how it embeds and I think there's no way you

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could get through a journey like that of a healing Journey without faith without question so yeah I I I don't think I

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would have made it without my faith for sure yeah especially as a caregiver for such a uh for you know your child at

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such a young age at 14 then what what else apart from trying to find the right

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treatment could you have at that point yeah interesting so um we I just

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uh so today I also had another podcast episode with a with with a gentleman and we we spoke about the um rise of

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hopelessness and loneliness within our youth today and a bunch of different

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things came up we spoke about um social media and phones and distraction and

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schooling and the lack of creativity we spoke about nutritional depletion we spoke about all these incredible things

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but one big thing that came up for me was was a lack of spirituality a lack of

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faith um that a lot of these teens have when they're trying to transition from a

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child into a young adult and then into an adult and how we're seeing um a lot

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of these kids just they are hope they do feel a lot hopeless they do feel lonely and I wonder what your experience in

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regards to that demographic and how Faith spirituality the church and God

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has supported those people yeah it it is really sad like I

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have my younger daughter is 24 and I see a lot of that in her generation where

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they don't believe in an absolute truth they believe that everybody has the

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ability to Define and live by their own truth um and I mean that could be

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anything right they don't they don't see scripture as absolute truth um so I

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think that coupled with just how there's a constant stream of news and

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information coming at them through social media um and a lot of it's bad

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right world wars or what people are doing to each other um it it causes them

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to lose their hope and live in fear and of course nine times out of 10 that would lead to anxiety and depression um

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because what what good is there in the world and then you don't even have an absolute truth to hold on to so you know

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I I um I post a lot on social media trying to to put those thoughts of hope

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out there for them um and just wanting to to be a support and a place where

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they can come and and feel the love of God what does what does actual truth

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mean that's a very good question um

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well absolute truth I guess I is is that what you're is actual truth different than absolute or let me elaborate

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because I was just thinking in regards to what you were talking about with youth and you know being on their phones

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and access to news and information and and I think that I think that it

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actually creates what they believe to be a reality when in fact you know without

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being on the ground and without knowing and seeing these things for the truth there is no truth really there

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especially through these not through through social media platforms you just don't know really and with AI you just

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don't really know what's real and I think that a reality is created um

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through these platforms and it's and it's believed to be real but it's not real so there is a lack of absolute

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truth there but we believe this to be We Believe those things to be what's

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actually happening rather than questioning and having faith and um being maybe a bit skeptical about what

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they see on these platforms and um yeah what do you think about that yeah I mean

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I think that is another challenge level for them um because so many of the

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things you know people can Rec something and then they post it and then they've

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got their own little news glur about what this is and what happened and why it happened and like you said it's it's not necessarily absolute truth it's just

10:10

what they perceive in that moment and so it it's just another way for our for our

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young people to be inundated with information that becomes their truth but

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it's not really true and so it's another Avenue for the anxiety in the fear to

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get into their lives so how how do we how do we combat that on social media like it's almost

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like there needs to be someplace they can go to get True News or true facts to

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to have something to compare it to but I don't even know that exists getting out of hand or even just I think the I just

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think the the fact that not knowing a lot of things is yeah is way more normal

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than knowing and seeing some sort of um

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picture of the truth or what's going on I think that you know before the internet before phones there was an

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earthquake somewhere you didn't know about it yeah you might have read about it in a historical book 10 20 years

11:16

later but or from Tales from somebody coming from that land and coming over I

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I feel like we're not really designed to have the amount of information and access to information than we actually

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do and no way we're able to process all of it and when so much of it is

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fabricated for attention for eyes and ears and clicks there isn't that um I guess

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healthy level of skepticism where people should be you know asking asking questions about that why should why

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should we be trusting these sources you know and when we've got the ability to

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edit images edit video edit audio um we really need to be a lot more aware and

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alert and certainly have um more faith in uh in the truth but I think it's so

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important to um understand what we can control and

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what we can't control and um it certainly leads us to maybe not being as

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affected um by some of this you know tragedy kind of like fear porn that

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we're we're constantly fed yeah there needs some type of an awareness need to be brought about

12:30

because you know the sad thing is that younger and younger kids are getting their hands on phones on iPads where

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they can access social media and they're not ready like you said for this

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constant stream of scary things false information you they they don't know how

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to weed the true from the false yeah it's such a I I just I try

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and put myself in the position of a 19-year-old and I've got some those in my life and my family and it's it's it's

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it's a it's a troubling time anyway as an adolescent but then you've just got

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yeah there's so much um there's so much falsehood in the stories and the people

13:13

that you see on social media that it can only cre it can only create jealousy and confusion um kind of all the things that

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the Bible teaches you to kind of um I don't want to say eradicate but maybe um

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you know put to rest with um with with faith in a higher being

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yeah um in what ways um has embracing

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Faith influenced I guess your decision- making process both like in your personal life and uh professional

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Endeavors yeah I mean I for me Faith is is the foundation of it all um

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especially where I'm going in a brand new journey in my life you know at my

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age that I could feel like could I really be a pastor like am I going to

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really start this brand new thing go back to college and so feeling that call

14:10

from God um was step one but another huge thing that has kept me motivated um

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moving forward is the time that I sit with God through scripture and prayer

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and I'll begin to speak his words over my life right that I am I have purpose

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that I'm called that I'm anointed that his power you know flows through me so

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that I can reach people and and help them so um I I don't know that I would

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have had the boldness to do such a shift in my life at this time if it wasn't for

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my faith in God and I think um faith is often

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associated with um Peace and resilience I mean your experience how

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has your faith helped you like navigate difficult times and maybe can you can you share a specific experience where it

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made a profound difference for you yeah absolutely um like I said you know I

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I've been divorced for two years and before that we were separated for three and you know having been with somebody

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for over 30 years and then have that relationship fall apart it's it's in

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incredible grief you know I've heard people say my whole life that you know when you go through a divorce it's

15:32

similar to the loss of somebody dying that you loved and and I I live through

15:37

that now so just um holding on to God through

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that grief um because I don't know hopefully you know some of these listeners um have experienced grief but

15:51

learned to navigate through it because no matter what the grief is if if we

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don't go through that process of faing it and healing and we get stuck it can

16:02

ruin our lives it can bring on you know depression anxiety different addictions so you know I learned firsthand um the

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power of God that will hold us through it all it's not going to get us around

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it you have to go through those stages of grief but you don't have to go through it alone so my time of

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worshiping God of you know speaking those scriptures that you know I'm not alone and that God is my my strength

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that he he sees me and he cares and that he loves me um it was like a three that

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all those three years that we were separated was a time of healing and I I

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came out of it stronger and seeing the power of God that's available to each

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one of us for myself amazing um it just makes me think of the um the beginnings of this company

16:56

of true hope Canada is quite quite a wild and Tero story that was a profound

17:02

answer from prayer and I've had the pleasure and honor of meeting with with the founder and having him on the podcast telling us all about the story

17:08

how 30 plus years ago his wife his wife um committed suicide she had undiagnosed

17:14

by polar disorder and he was Widow to nine children wow

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and two of his eldest kids um soon after that were ex exhibiting similar symptoms

17:28

of bipol disorder and the psychiatrist at the time that they had basically told

17:33

um Anthony Stefan the founder that he had to go home and plan more funerals because there was nothing there was

17:39

nothing that they could do whoa yeah and then he went on this faith-based um

17:44

journey and had a very fortuitous well you could call it fortuitous or just a

17:50

chance meeting with an older friend of his who um recommended he he worked in

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the agricultural feed industry and He was discussing with Anthony

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how when the When Animals such as pigs are not um there their feed is not

18:07

supplemented correctly then they will exhibit mental health conditions where they will fight each other they will

18:13

bite each other's tails and ears and but when they are supplemented with the correct vitamins and minerals Etc then

18:19

you know their brains perform properly and they are you know quite communal animals so he kind of took this idea to

18:28

his children in regards to perhaps they were just significantly nutrient deficient in minerals and vitamins and

18:35

other things and tried a whole bunch of different products and then eventually finding a mineral

18:42

combination that basically alleviated the symptoms of these of these children W in day in days once they found that

18:49

right formula and our Flagship product here Empire plus has gone through I think four or maybe even five different

18:56

um versions now to improve the quality and reduce capsule size for for example

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to help support a lot of these kids going through this but it's just there's just a remarkable profound story that

19:07

I've I've heard a few times and I never Tire of hearing of it because it's it's a miracle it's a miraculous story in

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regards to now this whole company's whole amazing faith-based organization

19:20

um does everything everything from a social media post to a podcast episode to a

19:26

rebranding of a product or remarketing of a product we do it under the guise of we're doing this to help other families

19:34

not go through the tragedy that birth this company that's why we're doing that's why we're doing all of this if we

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can just if we make a 100 podcast episodes and it affects like one family to try this product to not go through a

19:47

disastrous situation such as the our founder and family did then it's a massive massive win and that's why we do

19:53

this and you have to have a huge amount of um faith and trust and understanding

19:59

that what you're doing under the kind of the role of our Mission Vision Values here is being guided towards um that I

20:08

don't know end goal or that pathway that journey by a higher power and we will have a tremendous amount of faith in

20:16

that wow that's a that's a powerful story wow yeah and it yeah it certainly

20:21

keeps that alive but it's um it it just goes to show I guess maybe you can

20:27

spread some wisd more experience on this but how amazing incredible things can

20:33

can come from tragic circumstances and faith has to be the um the foundational

20:38

layer to all of it yeah absolutely I mean faith for me is what moves me

20:45

forward and we're all going to have challenges in life and crises at certain

20:51

times um and the Beautiful Thing is whether you've been in scripture your whole life

20:57

or you've never even own a Bible whenever you get to that place where you're ready to meet with God you can

21:04

find him there you know and the books that I'm writing talk about um how to

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pray scripture the importance of the Friendship of the holy spirit with us as

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we are in scripture um there's God has not left us alone on this planet he

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knows how hard it is and so he's given us these incredible gifts so that we can

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know him we can talk with him we can hear his voice and through all of that

21:32

we can live with the strength and the peace and the joy to go through whatever

21:38

faces we have to face in this world lovely and I just I just think

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about a lot of people who who find faith and where they are in their lives when they do it how old they are where

21:49

they're from and in your experience is there been like a typical Journey

21:54

towards Faith but from individuals who are coming at it from a kind of Faith faithless lonely beginning

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actually I have this incredible testimony I'm just get chills right now thinking about it but um I have the

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honor of doing a Bible study with a group of of people who are kind of

22:14

living in an elderly community and so we get together every week and and do a Bible study and there's one lady that I

22:22

just I have so much love and respect for her she is in her 80s and she is shared

22:28

with us the story of how um when she was a child her father sexually abused her

22:35

and her entire life she has been angry and hurt and bitter and hated him and

22:42

wouldn't talk with him just kind of feeling like I'm GNA get even with him by holding on to this

22:49

unforgiveness and in her 80s you know long after her father had passed she had

22:56

this encounter with God and through that encounter she forgave her father fully

23:02

forgave him and she is filled with so much joy and peace and now the Bible is

23:09

new to her she knows nothing about it never read it before so it's like this brand new Journey for her and I just

23:16

love to see her reaction as we go through the stories of Jesus and she learns more and more of how much he

23:23

loves her and the price he paid so that you know she can be saved and you know

23:29

live with him in heaven one day so it's just every week it's like a New Journey with her that's amazing we had a really

23:36

cool episode um I think it was episode 171 it was only a few episodes back talking about the power of

23:43

forgiveness and how not only especially in an example like you've just given there and I've heard

23:49

I've heard that I've heard that kind of similar story before where it's you know it's it's filled with anger and rage and

23:55

revenge and all all these and they have reason to feel that way right they have absolute to them yeah they have absolute

24:02

right and reason to to um be to to be be and feel that way but I feel like

24:08

forgiveness in those kind of circumstances it's also like forgiving themselves and releasing themselves um

24:15

of the the frequency and the energy of those neg let's call them negative

24:21

emotions which hold people back and and you know destroy the body physically and destroy the Mind psychologically I think

24:28

a lot of that forgiveness and that work um can seem almost impossible for somebody in in that like high stress

24:35

situation but I feel like so much of that forgiveness is more about forgiving yourself and understanding that a lot of

24:42

these individuals are powerless and helpless in the moment of those things happening right and forgiving that

24:48

little girl or that little boy that's gone through gone through those experiences and and that that forgiveness practice is a lot more about

24:56

um the person who's experienced rather than the you know the uh the individual

25:02

who who caused the harm in the first place so yeah that power of forgiveness is is huge yeah and I think you know you

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mentioned the word shame I think this is another reason that it's so important

25:13

for us to forgive even what we deem as unforgivable um you know I have a friend

25:19

and and I write about this story in one of my books but she um her her family

25:24

they were missionaries in Pakistan and she and all the other missionary kids were sexually abused by several men

25:31

while they were there and their parents didn't know it and so all these years later you know she's go you know

25:37

receiving Christ and she's going through that process of forgiveness and a big part of that is to to be healed of the

25:45

shame that they feel even though they didn't it wasn't their fault right this was something done to them when you

25:52

don't forgive when you hold on to all that pain that shame can really overtake

25:57

you but God wants you you know to heal us of that and say you you were an innocent child you were an innocent

26:03

person in this and you know I want to I want to release you of that that that

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burden of shame that you've carried all these years yeah that's right it's a it's it's

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a huge piece and we're very fortunate that we do have a lot of people like yourself who are

26:21

you know using Ancient Ancient scripture to be able to help people through through those things and having people

26:26

come together through church through Bible study I think that it's super valuable to be able to have that

26:33

Community available to people very huge but I'd love to talk ask you about you know how would you how would you

26:40

maintain a strong sense of faith in today's fast-paced often very turbulent

26:47

world you know are there daily practices or rituals that can help um people stay

26:53

grounded I I feel like there's so much available to us right now um first of

26:58

all I I I teach people to be creative in their time with God you know not all of

27:04

us are Avid readers and we just love to sit with a good book but there's so many other ways to bring scripture into our

27:11

minds and into our hearts through great apps on our phones like we're going to work and we can have whatever voice like

27:19

you know with your incredible accent right we can choose that type of voice to have scripture read to us um if if

27:27

we're artists you know I love the idea of you know maybe listening to a story

27:32

in the Bible and then painting what does that speak to me or if you're um into

27:38

writing songs you know writing songs based on scripture whatever that looks like for you but you know we we can keep

27:46

the Bible at our fingertips throughout the day on our phones we don't have to feel like oh I got to get up at 5: in

27:51

the morning and you know read for an hour before I get ready for work because you know nine times out of 10 we're

27:57

going to fall asleep right if we try to do that so find you know if you're a techie person use your talents to say

28:05

okay this is how I can keep scripture in front of me you can you know put alarms on your phone throughout the day and for

28:11

me like just to have a scripture it could be one verse that okay God I want to meet you here for the next month so I

28:19

will have an alarm on my phone and somehow have that scripture handy and I'll just take a moment to read the

28:26

scripture and make it my prayer and just say God teach me from this word and it

28:33

doesn't it's not overwhelming because it can be just like 30 seconds four times a day and and you've you've kept your mind

28:39

focused on that word throughout the day beautiful yeah another podcast guest we

28:45

had uh not so long ago discussing um how she used creativity to basically treat

28:51

and heal her self Haring um oh wow behaviors and how as an artist she was

28:57

able to to um you know use her art use her drawings use her creativity to

29:03

basically rewire her brain to a different to a different pathway and using it as using it as a therapy to um

29:08

help help herself through that and yeah I think creativity and having some sort of Outlet which engages the brain in a

29:15

very different way but can also um help you express and digest right emotions

29:23

that know sometimes have been stuck stuck within you for a long periods of time from traumatic events in the past

29:29

I think that is a an amazing way in able to do that and and we see this beautiful rise of like sematic body work and Body

29:36

Therapy to be able to help people go through and um access traumatic um

29:42

events and and hopefully you know work through them and come out come out the other side with um I guess more faith in

29:49

humanity more faith in themselves and um a connection to a spiritual power that's

29:54

kind of always there it's always available and once harnessed could do absolute wonders for people yeah I I

30:01

mean I don't know if you've heard of the series The Chosen you know almost everybody loves to watch a good movie or

30:06

a good series and it's a very very powerful um series on the life of Jesus

30:12

it's actually the most powerful I've ever seen so cool um start there The

30:17

Chosen The Chosen yeah you can stream it um just you know Google it there's

30:23

different ways you can stream it for free beautiful I'll make sure there's a link to that and the show I'll find something that's accessible for for

30:29

people here in Canada but um what advice would you give to somebody who feels

30:34

maybe uncertain about embracing Faith or who may be struggling to understand its

30:41

potential for transforming their own lives that's a good question um I I

30:47

would just start at square one if you're open to getting to know God you know and

30:54

and like I just mentioned the chosen that's a great kind of non threatening way to start okay let's let's see who is

31:00

this God that um is calling me to have a relationship with him and and and as as

31:06

we do step into that relationship and get to know him and his word our faith

31:11

grows so I I feel like the the very you know fundamental place to begin is to

31:19

find a place where it's nonthreatening for you because a lot of people don't want to start by going to a church that they're not familiar with so make a big

31:27

bowl of popcorn that's my favorite thing to do stream if you you know hopefully you can stream the chosen in Canada um if

31:35

not you know find another series on the life of of Christ or the Book of Genesis

31:40

whatever and familiarize yourself with the stories of God the stories of Jesus

31:46

and um go from there amazing yeah beautiful and I'm just looking on your

31:53

website now there's a couple of books there there's there's the one thing I ask which is got beautiful beautiful

31:59

image of a heart with flowers popping out of the uh ventricles and the out of

32:04

the aot it looks awesome and also one thing I do where you've got um like

32:10

flowers and nature and birds coming out of a book so I wonder if you tell us a little bit about those books sure so um

32:16

one thing I ask is is on the market now and it's um full of my stories my

32:22

personal stories it was my journey of how I learned how to pray scripture and

32:27

how changed not just how I pray but it changed my walk with God where I felt

32:32

like I wasn't just talking at someone but now there was this place where I I

32:39

sat with God and I could hear his voice through scripture and grow my faith and

32:45

then um the second one is kind of so I'm actually doing a three-part series and the second one I'm working on now it'll

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come out later this year one thing I do and it's kind of like the next step you

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know one one we have embraced praying scripture once we know God then it it

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changes who we are and how we live and I think unfortunately too many times

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Christians kind of get in the Bible as a way of okay well this is what I do and this is what I don't do and it it it's

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it's not relationship based but once we do have that relationship the the

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results the Overflow of that is it changes how we live in a way that's

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lifechanging and empowering and people around us can see our love for God so

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what does that process look like so in both of my books I'm I'm a big advocate

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of application I I've read so many incredible books but I'm I maintain that

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you know you can read 10 incredible books a day but if you don't do it like if you don't change or be inspired to go

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on a New Journey from what you've learned then you really haven't really accomplished much so I I

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try to give practical applications at the end of each chapter okay now you've learned this now practice it now do it

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and see how it changes your walk with God beautiful where um where are the

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best places to connect with you or or um pick up those books um well my website

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so it's Debbie Luther howell.com um I've got my um you can access my social media

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on there you can order the books and you can also um I've got a Blog on there and

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some videos so it's kind of your and I'd love to hear from you like if you want to just follow me on social media and

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make a comment I'd love to get to know you beautiful yeah well I'll make sure those links are available there and I

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think it' be a good practice to maybe listen to this podcast and check through your website check look at some of your videos on Tik Tok and Instagram and then

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see what comes up and ask questions ask away I feel like you're super open to having those conversations with people

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yeah and it's great getting to know and I love um you know New Hope true hope

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and um the the great work that you're doing so thank you for sharing the story of how it started that that's awesome

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that he's went from that place to just helping so many other people yeah and

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that's honestly just just the beginning um let's say tra beginning of a a series

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of I don't say tra tragedy points but like very difficult challenges that the family and the company has had to

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overcome whether that's from know family death through government regulations to

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all all these Wild Things um but faith has been the absolute Center of all of it and um without it I don't know I

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don't not sure where the company would be but we're glad to be here and we know we know what works so we're going to continue to do that yeah beautiful well

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Debbie thanks so much for coming on to the show I really appreciate this was a wonderful wonderful introduction we've not had too many conversations like this

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on the show so I really I really appreciate that and I'm sure we can maybe get together in the future and um

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build on things yeah we we love to be we love to be like a solution based um

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podcast here where you can take some um um some practical application and put it straight into your life so thank you so

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much the world needs it you're the world needs it and you are most welcome thank you for the invitation SP beautiful de

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well thank you so much again thanks everyone for listening for watching um that is it for this episode of True Hope

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cast the official podcast of true hope calendar I'll make sure all the links are in the show notes so you connect with Debbie and check out her amazing

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work and her amazing books and her amazing videos and everything like that you can leave us a review on Spotify if you want to um but other than that we'll

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see you next week [Music]